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10.51. Berg concludes the hearing.
10.51. Hagald: There is no agreement.
10.48: Berg: Finally, an e-mail that you send in 28 november 2016, so you declare that there is no agreement, it's true.
Sissi Hagald roasted all the harder by Michael Berg. Berg is still factual and to the switches fast and slow tempo in the questions. Hagald have been interviewed in an hour and a half and the focus has been on the contracts and whether clear or not she has been in her role.
10.42. Hagald: There was so much agreement, and this was seven years ago.
10.41. Berg. But look at this email you sent, where you write kompanjonsavtal.
10.40: No but I may have done it.
10.40: In this meeting you held so do you use the never word kompanjonsavtal?
10.37: Hagald: I am not a trained economist and I am, perhaps, as you say, the right route, a lawyer also, but I wanted to care about the big overarching agreements that would come.
10.37. Berg: When it says “the band” so do you mean not “the band” without Tobias?
Michael Berg presses Sissi Hagald hard on kompanjonsavtal, it is reminiscent of when he pressed the Forge in the last week. He also asks the same questions to Hagald which is sometimes difficult to explain. In the end her answer that she is unsure of what it really is or that she does not call it kompanjonsavtal.
10.31. Hagald: It is not safe for they understood not that they had been fired.
10.31. Berg: they Understood it?
10.31. Hagald: Yes, I have done it.
10.30. Berg: Have you informed the other members that you do not represent them but only represent Tobias?
10.30 am: No, I informed them only
10.30. Berg: At the meeting held 4 October you through the turn?
10.29. Hagald. No it's standing still right now.
10.28. Berg: You're an expert on contracts, so you should know.
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10.27. Hagald. Äähh (long wait).
10.27. Berg: this management agreement, to look at it...Where indicated, Rick sales, as a party, and the band members and then DAV (unsure of letters) Ghost, what does it mean?
10.25. Hagald: Tobias mentions nothing about anyone else so no I did not know it in the beginning.
10.25. Berg: It's not that I ask, did you not know that the Ghost was comprised of more members than Tobias?
10.24. Hagald: Thus, I don't know who they are, they have the masks on.
10.24. Berg: When did you understand it?
10.23. No not the 2011.
10.23. You don't know it.
10.23: No, I did not understand it.
10.22: Berg: did you know that the band the Ghost consisted of more band members than Tobias in the Ghost?
10.21: Berg. Ok.
10.21. Hagald: I must have missed.
10.20: Berg: Look at the back of the cover, why is not Tobias Forge with as contractors?
10.20: Hagald: I have not seen anything about it.
10.20. Berg: it Was even the foundation?
10.20. It was not a financial association.
10.19: Berg: Was it an economic association?
10.18. Hagald: It was not a company.
10.18.Berg: Was it a company?
10.17. I don't know.
10.16. Berg: Was the Ghost in may 2011, a legal person?
10.16. Hagald: It was good enough that I would china start a business in the area.
10.15: Michael Berg initiates the hearing. How was your expertise within the than twelve?
10.14. Hagald: They had probably never been told that they were not in the band more of their law firm.
10.13: Söderlund Björk: Then, they wanted to be set up on a gösklista on a Stockholm-list...
10.12: Hagald: the Gist was that they were utköpta, you went back to what they had received to see how much they would get.
10.12. Söderlund Björk: What was the gist of it all in the agreements?
Tobias Forge is not in the court today as he was with the Ghost at the concert in London on Sunday. Otherwise, all of the involved parties on the spot. The four former members of the band can be found at the same places every time. Some choose to follow along with in the covers for example, while Hjertstedt has its cover closed the trial through. Attorney Berg is holding his only hand under his chin and listens carefully. Both of the lawyers is still lit with self-confidence during this fourth rättegångsdag.
10.04. Hagald: Yes that everything was fine and that the agreements looked good. After it sent a bolagsuppgifter, Simon asked when they could get it digitally but otherwise no, everything was “fine and ending.”
10.03: Söderlund Björk: did you get any response from them?
10.03: Very clear.
10.01: Söderlund Björk: it Was clear that there were clients there was the question about?
10.00. Hagald: No.
10.00 am: Rejoined the guys something against the agreements any time?
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10.00. Hagald: If, for example, sitting in the bus and sitting in and jamming so shall the copyright accrue to Tobias.
09.59: Söderlund Björk: It was an agreement in 2016, will you remember the main points?
09.57. Hagald: Not on profit. It would be for the company where you saw the goals that were achieved so could you pay a bonus.
09.57. Söderlund Björk: It talked about the bonus, it would be based on profit?
09.54: Hagald: I would write clearly how to write to quiet the four, I said that if you have a private company you can deduct for expenses.
09.54: How did the meeting where you went through how they would bill?
09.53: Hagald: They were extremely stressful for Tobias, he called me and was upset that he could not pay, he wanted to get the money to pay the guys.
09.52: Hagald: It was a total, then they got a lump sum for what had been 2011 and it was almost sek 40 000 for each guy.
09.52: Söderlund Björk: do you Know how it was when they got the first payment?
09.52: Hagald: They wanted guarantees about the salary, which would be ongoing.
09.51: Söderlund Björk: Then we go on 2012.
09.50: Hagald: I think they got to 2012
09.50: Söderlund Björk: they Got some money in 2011?
09.48: Sissi Hagald now tells which discs she has negotiated, and that she just talked with Tobias Forge, and that she never talked with anyone else in the band.
Comment: Söderlund Björk continues to ask questions around the agreement of a third party. It might be obvious but I still want to be sure to tell you that Sissi Hagald is called to the witness of the Forge-side. All of the questions, as you look out on to the strength of Tobias Forge. But it will be interesting to hear attorney Michael Berg later and how hard he chooses to go on. Berg pressed Forge hard in the last week just when they entered the kompanjonsvatal and that he claimed he did it to be nice. Berg didn't buy his story. So if Berg will roast Sissi Hagald as hard remains to be seen.
09.40: Hagald: Nothing, it became nothing of it.
09.40: Söderlund Björk: So what boiled this agreement down to?
09.38: Hagald: particularly anything about who has the rights and it was he who had.
09.38: What would it include for the regulations?
09.37. Hagald: Tobias wanted to be a nice person, you ride the bus together and live close, so he wanted to be a nice person simply.
09.36: Söderlund Björk: It talked about kompanjonsavtal, what do you know about it?
09.36: Hagald: I don't think he suggested it, not that I know if I had heard about it, I had enough and critique me.
09.35: Söderlund Björk: Were you surprised that he suggested the economic association at the meeting?
09.34: They would get a reward and he also talked about a bonus system.
09.34: Söderlund Björk: Talked to Tobias about how they would be paid?
09.33. Hagald: He said it was his band and it was stated to guys around the band was fully clear that the others were in other bands.
09.32: Söderlund Björk: Why he chose not to share equally?
09.30: Yes, to pay was the priority. The compensation would not be a problem but it was extremely, very agreement.
09.29: Söderlund Björk: But what you know they have received compensation?
09.28. Hagald: There are very many different costs, on tours, record, disc, extreme costs, the costs with the publishing business. Many of the musicians who begin in these bands are not particularly talented, they practice their way to success. I felt Tobias's extremely stressed, he wanted to do everything in order to pay the other. What I knew was that no one had the money, that they had to pay their rent.
09.28. What are the costs associated with a heavy metal band?
09.27: Hagald: they were musicians, trained musicians.
09.27. Did you come to clarity about the other's involvement in the band?
09.26: No, Tobias was the only one I talked with.
09.26. Söderlund Björk: did you get any impression of the band's structure?
09.25. Hagald: He had it as a record label looking for a artistic aura.
09.25: Söderlund Björk: How was it with the artistic?
09.24: Hagald: No.
09.24: Have you ever represented any of the plaintiffs?
09.23: Hagald: My impression was that he was a real talent, such as that which you are looking for.
09.23. Söderlund Björk: What was your impression of Tobias?
09.21: Hagald: It was 2011, he contacted me regarding a contract with a band, but then he said that we would devote ourselves to his other band, and it was the Ghost it was.
09.21: When you came in contact with Tobias?
(Sissi Hagald go through which companies she has worked with and what type of artists she has worked with, we skipped some details about it).
09.19: Hagald: I have 20 years of experience in the music business.
09.19: Söderlund Björk: Present your experience in the music industry.
09.18: Hagald the past has thus been described by Forge-side, to be Forges previous legal bids.
09.17: Sissi Hagald called as a witness.
09.17: The new evidence relied upon will be accepted but we do not yet know what it is concretely.
09.16: the Interview with the witness ends.
09.16: the Witness: For me it is Tobias who is the Ghost.
09.15: What was the Ghost for you?
09.15: It was Tobias.
09.15: Söderlund Björk: Who was it that decided?
09.14: the Witness: There are a variety of ways. It is not always shared equally.
09.13. Ann-Charlotte Söderlund Björk, Forges lawyer is taking over: Is your experience that you share equally in the band or is there a different way?
09.12: the Witness: Yes, he felt that it was missing a little of my skills from american companies.
09.12: Berg: he Has questioned your competence?
09.12. The Witness: Yes, I have.
09.11. Berg: Have you been in contact with Rick Sales?
09.10: the Witness: I told you about the form of economic association which I also suggested. Tobias contacted me then and asked me to arrange everything with an economic association, but then I got the information that I still would not do it. It was a month afterwards, maybe.
09.09: Berg: What was your role at the meeting
09.09: the Witness: Yes, she was with.
09.08: Berg: Was Sissi Hagald with at the meeting?
09.08. The witness: I'd tell you about the set-up and how it usually looks in the band.
09.08. Berg: this is an event, 4 October 2011, about a meeting, why were you with?
09.07: the Witness: It is good.
09.06: Michael Berg initiates the interview: What is your expertise in music?
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09.04: the presiding judge commences by saying that it has come forward with new evidence. What this means, we get to know in a moment. First held interviews with a witness who is with you through the link from Gothenburg, sweden. The witness representing both sides.
09.00: All have taken place in the courtroom.
08.52: Tobias Forge itself is not in the district court today. The Ghost had a concert at the Albert Hall in London on Sunday. In the morning of Tuesday, he'll be back.
08.49: Michael Berg, lawyer of the four, arrives and stands outside the hall number three, together with Martin Hjertstedt, Mauro Rubino, Henrik Palm and Simon Söderberg.
08.48: the evidence suggests that the trial will last six days, that Wednesday, which is reserved day, will be needed. But the first day of the four implemented.
At 08.30: Tobias Forges lawyer, Ann-Charlotte Söderlund Björk, arriving at Linköping district court, together with the Sissi Hagald. Hagald who have experience from artistic law is called to testify in the day. She has been described to be Tobias Forges legal representatives and should therefore be heard in court today.
It is the quartet Martin Hjertstedt, Mauro Rubino, Henrik Palm and Simon Söderberg, former band members of the Ghost, which has sued the singer is Tobias Forge, who they consider to have distributed the money incorrectly. The trial lasted three days in the last week and this week continue the negotiations. Several key witnesses remain to be examined and the trial is also going on Tuesday and possibly even Wednesday to put in a claim.
Key personnel:
Tobias Forge, vocalist of Ghost.
Martin Hjertstedt, Mauro Rubino, Henrik Palm, and Simon Morgan, formerly of the Ghost.
Michael Berg, the four lawyer.
Ann-Charlotte Söderlund Björk, Tobias Forges a lawyer.
